UKRAINA e SANZIONI

 

  By: gianlini on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 12:44

condivido in pieno

 

  By: hobi on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 12:37

Gianlini,il cambiamento nasce prima nelle coscienze e poi nei fatti. Il sottoscritto ,per esempio,ha sempre considerato "sano" il tasso di diseguaglianza per consentire una crescita del benessere delle popolazioni. E per questo ha sempre combattutto il mortale( per lo sviluppo) tasso di uguaglianza delle società comuniste. Ora invece mi sono reso conto che la disuguaglianza sta distruggendo l'economia capitalista ( non le banche,non la speculazione ). In conseguenza ritengo che la soluzione della crisi degli stati debba avvenire con un riequilibrio della distribuzione della ricchezza. Le idee cambiano Gianlini : bisogna stare solo attenti a non combattere battaglie di retroguardia. Hobi

 

  By: hobi on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 12:23

Le cose per fortuna cambiano( ogni tanto ). Hobi

 

  By: gianlini on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 12:10

hobi perchè qualcuno è forse convinto che sia giusto che il latifondista brasiliano faccia le vacanze sullo yacht in sardegna e i suoi lavoranti si facciano massacrare da polvere, caldo e zanzare per permetterglielo? eppure accade proprio questo!

 

  By: hobi on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 12:05

Ho scritto molte volte che " è meglio chiudere un ospedale che una banca ". Anche se a livello popolare c'è una grande confusione tra la "banca " e gli "azionisti della banca ",sono convinto che di fronte ad una crisi sistemica la "banca " si salvi e "gli azionisti ed i bondholder " ,no. Hobi

 

  By: DRAGUTIN on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:58

Ieri per scrupolo ho fatto una telefonata, mi hanno detto che se dovessi perdere i soldi per davvero allora pagare le tasse non sarebbe piu' cosi' importante...... Me l' avesse detto la portinaia di ANTI anziche' un tecnico forse mi fidavo di piu'... Scherzo neh

 

  By: gianlini on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:43

no, ho troppo da fare e la banca è in centro

 

  By: Gano* on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:43

la differenza è enorme (e infatti il notaio di Paolo non è preoccupato) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ E' quello che sembrava anche a me. Quando presti ti devi far dare tutte le dovute garanzie, ipoteche, fidejussioni, cambiali... perche' altrimenti sono molte piu' le volte che non te li rendono.

 

  By: Gano* on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:42

> Francia ad esempio di cui mai previsione negativa fu più facile Eheh... :)

 

  By: DRAGUTIN on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:40

GIAN, Sei andato in banca?

 

  By: gianlini on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:35

il post di Hobi è interessante perchè cita la parola "prestare" la vecchietta quando va in banca infatti è convinta di "comprare" dei btp o bot, non si immagina mica che sta "prestando dei soldi" la differenza è enorme (e infatti il notaio di Paolo non è preoccupato)

 

  By: duca on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:29

Infatti 10:23 | (AGI) Roma - Continua ad allargarsi lo spread tra titoli di Stato francesi e tedeschi: record a 201 punti base rendimento 3,78% - ____________________________________________________________________________________ Sarkozy si sta italianizzando........ ehehehe Non ha caso ha un figlio mezzo italiano. Scherzi a parte....... ricordo quest'estate in francia la televisione era partita ridacchiando dell'Italia, poi quando cominciò anche il CAC a perdere smisero di ridere e le trasmissioni cominciarono a mettere speker sempre più corruciati.

 

  By: hobi on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 11:15

Riassumo in due parole. Quando hai prestato i soldi male hai due strade. Riconoscere l'errore e contabilizzare le perdite. Menare il can per l'aia ed inventersi gli EFSF con potenza di fuoco di 3 trilioni di Euro. In questo ultimo caso , e dopo tanti pasticci,le perdite ,alla fine ,saranno maggiori. La previsione ( fatta parecchio tempo fa ) è che sarebbero stati costretti al QE perchè il riconoscimento delle perdite avrebbe fermato l'economia reale. Non siamo lontani da questo epilogo. Il mercato ha bocciato l'EFSF che ,pare,abbia avuto difficoltà a raccogliere ,3 miliardi Euro ... Non c'è da stupirsi : da sempre i veicoli "unfunded" sono schifati dai mercati e poi,in Europa, tra i garanti ,cominciano ad esserci troppi PIIGS e qualche cagnaccio ( Francia ad esempio di cui mai previsione negativa fu più facile ). GAME OVER. Hobi

 

  By: kutstone on Giovedì 17 Novembre 2011 10:45

Molto interessante se avete 2 minuti leggetelo Where is the ECB Printing Press? Where Can I Find €3 Trillion? When Leverage Comes Back to Haunt You The German Dilemma So How Do We Solve the Eurozone Problem? Where Is the ECB Printing Press? DC, Cleveland, and New York By John Mauldin | Nov. 11, 2011 Europe remains the focus of markets, and rightly so. But the picture is not as clear as one would like. Different analysts point to different problems – if only this one problem could be solved, then all this would go away, they tend to say. Sadly, it is not one problem but three that must be solved, and none of them is easy. In today’s letter I try and offer a basic primer on the problems facing Europe. My challenge to myself is to do it in a short piece rather than the booklength tome it could easily become. Thus, in the pursuit of brevity, we will not be as in-depth as usual, but I think it helps us to step back a few feet and look at the larger picture before we focus on minutiae. Where Can I Find €3 Trillion? First, for the record, the European issue is not a crisis of confidence, as Merkel and Sarkozy, et al., keep telling us. It is structural. And until the structural issues are dealt with, the problems will not be solved. The first problem facing Europe is the glaring sore thumb: there is simply too much sovereign debt in Greece, Ireland, Spain, Italy, Portugal, and Belgium. That is not news. What has yet to be absorbed by the markets is that the cost of bailouts, present and potential, is likely to be in the €3 trillion range, talking an average of the estimates I have seen (with the Boston Consulting Group suggesting €6 trillion). €3 trillion is not pocket change. Indeed, it is a number that is inconceivable in scope. Greece has been told that they can write off 50% of their debt held by private entities, but not that owed to the IMF, ECB, or other public entities. This means something more like a 20- 30% haircut on total debt. Sean Egan suggests that eventually Greece will write off closer to 90%. That is a number that cannot be contemplated in polite European circles, as it is plenty enough to cause a serious banking crisis. And that is before we get to the rest of the problem children. Portugal will need at least a 40% write-off (probably more!). The Irish are going to walk away from the bank debt they assumed in the banking crisis. While on paper Spain looks like it may survive, in reality it has significant problems in its banking sector. If they move to insure the solvency of their banks, their debts become unmanageable, not to mention that their debt grows each and every month from the rather large deficits they run and seem totally unwilling to try to reduce. The Spanish government deficit is likely to be at least 7% next year, well above their target of 6%. The “semi2 autonomous regions” are in deep trouble, and their citizens are leveraged due to excessive real estate exuberance. Unemployment across Spain is 21%, and for the young it is over 40%. The Spanish government has adopted the rather novel idea that if it doesn’t pay its bills then its deficit will not be as large and therefore they can get closer to meeting their targets. Yields on Spanish debt are about 1% lower than on Italian debt, but give them time. And then there is Italy. Italy is simply too big to save. Yes, it looks like Berlusconi is leaving, but he is not the real problem. The problem is a 10-year bond yield at 7%, when your debt is 120% of GDP and growing. Italy is likely to be in recession soon, which will only make the problem worse. A drop in GDP while deficits rise means that debt-to-GDP rises faster. That means interest-rate costs are rising faster than (the lack of) growth in the economy. The deficit is a reported 4.6%. By contrast, Germany’s is 4.3%. But the difference is the debt. The market realizes that if you grow debt by 5% a year, it will not be but a few years until Italy is at 150%. There is no retreat without default from such a number, and the markets are saying, “We’ve seen this movie before and the ending is not a happy one. We think we’ll leave at intermission.” The ONLY reason that Italian yields have dropped below 7% is that the European Central Bank has been buying Italian debt “in size.” Any retreat by the ECB from buying Italian debt and Italian yields shoot to the moon. Italy will need to raise close to €350 this year, including new debt and rollover debt. The higher rates will put even more pressure on the deficit. Debt, whether it is with an individual, a family, a city, or a country, always has a limit. Debt cannot grow beyond the ability to service the debt. That is the clear lesson of Rogoff and Reinhardt’s epic work, This Time Is Different. When that limit is reached, the debt must be restructured in some way, either with better terms or through some sort of default. Mediterranean Europe simply borrowed more than it could pay, given the cash flows of the various countries. And now we are at the Endgame. How can one deal with the debt? The best solution is to figure out how to grow your economy faster than the growth of debt. Over time, debt service becomes a smaller part of the economy. But Southern Europe does not seemingly have that option. Certainly not Greece, Portugal, or Spain; and this week we learned that Italian production was off 4.8%. Europe, even Germany, is slipping into recession. Germany is in the position of wanting the problem countries to cut their deficits through something called austerity. And living within your means is hardly a novel idea. It makes a great deal of sense. But when you are a country in recession and have to cut back, it only makes the recession worse for a period of time. Asking Greece to cuts its deficit by 4% a year for 4 years to get to something closer to balance means that the Greek economy will shrink by at least 10%, if not more. Tax revenues, never on solid footing, will shrink, making the deficit worse. How do you ask people to willingly enter into a pepression for a rather long time in order to pay back the banks, even if the debts were freely taken on by the government and the money spent on the populace, and even if the haircuts are 50%? 3 Yes, if Greece leaves the euro that means they will also have a depression. No one will lend them money for at least three years. Their banks will be insolvent, their pension funds destroyed. Their ability to buy needed materials (like oil, medicines, etc.) will be limited to the amount of goods they can produce and sell. Government employees will be forced to leave jobs, as there will be no money to pay them. Those on government pensions will get a fraction of what they were promised. Going back to the drachma will be painful in the extreme. Just as staying in the euro will be painful. Greece has no good choices. There are those who suggest that Europe is demonstrating the failure of the socialist welfare state. And there is some reason to say that. But I don’t think the socialist welfare state is the cause of the debt crisis. One can have a welfare state without debt, if you are willing to run a sensible budget. Think of the Scandinavian countries. And you can have countries without much social welfare get into debt problems. There are plenty of examples in history. Amassing large amounts of debt is a national problem that has as much to do with character as anything else. That is true for families or for countries. It is wanting to spend for goods and services today and pay for them in the future. Debt has its uses. Properly used, it can be of great benefit to societies and families. People can buy homes and tools that can be used for the production of goods, build roads and other infrastructure, etc. But debt cannot be allowed to become the master of the budget or the source for current spending, again whether for families or countries. And Greece and its fellow countries have used debt to fund current spending and now have run up against the inability to borrow more at sustainable levels. The easy answer is to cut spending. But when you cut back spending, even borrowed spending, it is going to affect GDP. It is something that may have to be done, but it is not without consequence. Ireland, a small country of 4.2 million people, just paid close to €1 billion to service debt that it owes for taking on the debts of its banks that went bankrupt. That is hugely unpopular in Ireland, and it will not be long before the Irish government simply says no. If the current one does not, then there will be a new one that does. Unless the Irish renegotiate their debt, they will be paying on it for decades. Debt that was private debt and paid to European banks (who lent to Irish banks) is now public debt. And it is a punitive and crushing debt. We can go to each problem country and home in on its own particular situation, and the answer almost always seems to be that the debt must be dealt with in some manner that either directly or indirectly amounts to default. (Even if the Eurozone leaders say that a 50% haircut by a bank is “voluntary.” Yeah, right. European leaders have a different understanding of voluntary than I learned in school.) But that is the problem. The European Commission is trying to figure out how to find €1 trillion to use to bail out southern Europe and Ireland. They so far cannot, and the market recognizes that fact and that the needs are actually much higher. European leaders cannot (at least publicly) fathom how to find €3 trillion. But whether or not they can “find” another few trillion, that debt will have to be restructured or defaulted. Once you go down that path, as they 4 have with Greece, it is just a matter of time before you have to do the same for Portugal and Ireland; and are Spain and Italy close on their heels? When Leverage Comes Back to Haunt You European regulators allowed their banks to leverage up to 450 to 1 on their capital, on the theory that sovereign nations in an enlightened Europe could not default, and therefore no reserves need to be kept for “investing” in government debt. And with those rules, banks borrowed massively and invested it in government debt, making the spread. It was an awesome free profit machine. Until Greece became a road bump. Now it is a nightmare. Even if you only invested 4% of your bank’s assets in Greek debt, if that is more than your capital then you are bankrupt. Irish banks were foolish and invested in Irish real estate that was in a bubble. They went bankrupt. Spanish banks were even more heavily leveraged to real estate, but have yet to write down their debt. They assume that houses will only lose about 15%, rather than the 50% that the real world is suggesting. And you can get away with that for a time if you own the agencies that rate the real estate debt, as the Spanish banks do. But most of the rest of European banks are going to go bankrupt the old-fashioned, tried-and-true, proven-over-the-centuries way: by buying government debt. Somehow they want to be seen as rational in leveraging up government debt. As I told the Irish crowd last week, don’t worry about your bank debt; all you have to do is wait a little while. When French and Italian banks (and most of the other banks in Europe) are publicly insolvent and have to go to their respective countries and the ECB for capital, the relatively small amount (by comparison) of Irish bank debt will not even be noticed when you default. I was trying for a little humor, but there is a core of truth in that glib remark. France cannot afford to bail out its banks. As we have seen this week, they are already in danger of losing their AAA rating, as a false (premature?) press release from S&P suggested. (Someone is in trouble for that one! Seriously, you think S&P is not ready for this? There is reason to believe, I hear, that this was a draft for use later. We’ll see.) France will want the Eurozone to bail out their banks, and that means the ECB. If France gets such a deal, Ireland will certainly demand – and get – one, too. The German Dilemma And that brings us to the third problem, which has two parts: (1) the massive trade imbalances in Europe, where Germany and a few others export and the rest of Europe buys, And (2) the fact that German labor is far cheaper on a relative basis than Greek or Portugal labor (or that of most of the rest of the Eurozone). German workers have seen very little rise in their incomes, while Southern Europe labor costs have risen to over 30% higher. I won’t go into the details (I have written about this before), but there is a basic rule in economics. You can reduce private debt and you can reduce public debt and you can run a trade deficit. But you can only do two of the three at the same time. The total of the three must balance. 5 Greece runs a massive trade deficit. They are also attempting to reduce their government debt, and private debt (that borrowed by business and consumers) is being forcibly reduced, as the banks are in full retreat. Greece must therefore endure a large reduction in its labor costs if it wants to reduce its government deficit. Sell that one to the unions. (By the way, Irish public unions took a large reduction, as did pensioners. Different political climate and country.) Germany seemingly wants the rest of Europe to behave like Germans, except that they also want them to continue to buy German products and run trade deficits, while Germany exports its way to prosperity. In the “old days” of a decade ago, a European country could simply devalue its currency and adjust the relative value of labor that way. But with a fixed currency there is no adjustment mechanism other than reduced pay or large unemployment numbers, which eventually translates into lower wages. Essentially, the southern part of Europe is on an odd sort of “gold standard,” with the euro being the fixed standard. And the adjustments are painful. There are no easy answers if you stay with the euro. And leaving is its own nightmare. So How Do We Solve the Eurozone Problem? Let’s quickly look at options for solving this. 1. The Germans (and the Dutch and Finns, et al.) can simply take their export surplus and taxes and savings and pay for the deficits in the southern zone until such time as they can be brought under control. Or they can bail out all the banks. Not just their own but throughout Europe, as a customer without a banking system cannot buy your products. That seems to be a political non-starter. 2. The problem countries can make the extremely painful adjustments, cut their deficits, and enter into a lengthy pepression. That also seems to be a political non-starter. 3. The Eurozone can forgive enough debt to get the various countries back to a place where they can function, nationalizing the banks that hold the debt, which would lead to a Europe-wide deep recession. Possible if the Eurozone leaders can sell it, but it is a tough sell. 4. A few countries (2? 3? 4?) can leave the Eurozone. If this is not done in an orderly fashion, the chaos will reverberate around the world. All of the above paths (or some combination of them) mean a banking crisis and chaos and long-term recessions. These are not pretty paths. But the above options assume that the ECB remains true to its Bundesbank core. Which brings us to the next “solution.” Where Is the ECB Printing Press? 6 It is hard for us in the US to understand, but the commitment of European leaders to a united Europe is amazingly strong. They will do whatever they think they must do (and/or can sell to the voters) to maintain the European Union. As a way to think about it, the US fought its most bloody war over the question of whether or not to remain a union. I think you have to call that commitment. While I am not suggesting that Europe is getting ready to start a civil war, I think it is helpful to remember that commitments to an ideal can drive people into situations that others have a hard time understanding. Let’s summarize. There is too much debt in many southern countries; and while I have not yet mentioned it, France is not far from having its own crisis if they do not get back into balance. And if they lose their AAA rating, then any EFSF solution is just so much bad paper. The banks and banking system are effectively insolvent. There are large trade imbalances that make it almost impossible for the weaker Eurozone countries to grow their way out of the problem. The path of least resistance, and I use that term guardedly, is for the ECB to find its printing press. Perhaps they can borrow one from Bernanke. Yes, I know they are buying sovereign debt now, but they are “sterilizing” it, meaning they sell euro paper to offset the monetary base effects (large oversimplification, I know). But the money to solve the crisis does not exist. The only way to find it is for the ECB to print money and print in size, enough to lower the value of the euro and make exports cheaper (which gives southern Europe a chance to grow out of its problems). Which is of course something the Germans vehemently oppose, as it goes against their core DNA coding. But the choice is print or let the euro perish. I see no other realistic solution, aside from massive austerity, willingly accepted by Europeans everywhere, along with the nationalization of their banks, etc., as described above. I think there is even less willingness to endure all that. It is a hard choice, I know. If you held a gun to my head and asked, “What do you think they will do?” I would have to say, “I think the ECB prints.” But not without a lot of rancor and solemn pledges and maybe a rewriting of the treaty in order to get Germany to go along. The choice is between a much lower euro or one that is far different from today’s, with a number of countries having left it. There are no good or easy choices. As a closing aside, a lower euro means lower US and emerging-market exports (Europe is China’s biggest customer!) to Europe and more competition from Europeans in what the rest of the world sells to each other. It will be the beginning of serious trade issues and when coupled with the collapse of the Japanese yen, circa 2013, will usher in currency wars and protectionism. This will be a decade we will be glad to leave in 2020.

 

  By: Esteban. on Martedì 15 Novembre 2011 00:20

Che ci vuoi fare ... Berlusconi non vede in Monti una alternativa al suo governo ... gli altri son tutti comunisti ... Praticamente il livello massimo in Italia è rappresentato da Berlusconi ... Che vorrebbe dire che gli Italiani hanno perso le palle (e pure il cervello) ripeto ... Dovete impararli a memoria ... liberateVi dalle "tare" mentali ... ------------------- Indro Montanelli - Aforismi e detti.... È in corso una iniziativa per l'abolizione, nelle aule scolastiche, della pedana su cui si eleva la cattedra. Il perché lo avrete già capito: l'insegnante deve mettersi, anche materialmente, a livello degli alunni per non lederne la dignità e dimostrare con l' esempio che siamo tutti uguali. Giusto. «La via dell' uguaglianza» dice Rivarol «si percorre solo in discesa: all' altezza dei somari è facilissimo instaurarla». In Italia a fare la dittatura non è tanto il dittatore, quanto la paura degli italiani e una certa smania di avere un padrone da servire. Lo diceva Mussolini: "Come si fa a non diventare padroni di un paese di servitori?" La servitù, in molti casi, non è una violenza dei padroni, ma una tentazione dei servi. Anche quando avremo messo a posto tutte le regole, ne mancherà sempre una: quella che dall'interno della sua coscienza fa obbligo a ogni cittadino di regolarsi secondo le regole. La scoperta che c'è un'Italia berlusconiana mi colpisce molto: è la peggiore delle Italie che io ho mai visto, e dire che di Italie brutte nella mia lunga vita ne ho viste moltissime. L'Italia della marcia su Roma, becera e violenta, animata però forse anche da belle speranze. L'Italia del 25 luglio, l'Italia dell'8 settembre, e anche l'Italia di piazzale Loreto, animata dalla voglia di vendetta. Però la volgarità, la bassezza di questa Italia qui non l'avevo vista né sentita mai. Il berlusconismo è veramente la feccia che risale il pozzo. P.S. Indro perseguiterà Berlusconi sino alla morte ... Perchè ? perchè non è comunista e perchè non c'è nulla di peggiore di una fotografia scritta ... e verificata nei fatti ...