Cattive Notizie

 

  By: GZ on Mercoledì 23 Gennaio 2002 10:28

il punto è che negli ultimi tre mesi sia la spesa per consumi che l'indice di fiducia dei consumatori americani SONO MIGLIORATI nettamente, e questo non solo su questo sito ma anche in giro per il mondo non lo aveva previsto quasi nessuno al momento sono molto migliori di questa estate ed è per questo che il Dow Jones è tornato quasi a 10,000 Modificato da - gzibordi on 1/23/2002 9:35:51

 

  By: lu.luke on Mercoledì 23 Gennaio 2002 09:27

1) normalmente in una recessione anche leggera la spesa per consumi del pubblico frena per via della disoccupazione e incertezza. Nel 2001 è aumentatainvece del 4.5%, ultimo dato trimestrale !. Quindi più di così non può aumentare, perchè è già al massimo. --------------------------------------------- Anche questo si era detto e ridetto... Non bisogna neppure andare troppo lontani: http://www.cobraf.com/articoli/articolo.asp?id=5890 Chissà perchè occorrre sempre che lo dica qualcuno in inglese, prima di prestargli un po' di attenzione.

 

  By: michelino di notredame on Martedì 22 Gennaio 2002 21:49

1 - la domanda e' fragile, e qui siamo d'accordo. 2 - ENRON e' piu' importante di quel che si pensa. non solo per lo scrutinio delle pratiche di accounting, sia presenti che passate (e vedo che per il passato si tira in ballo CISCO, che avrebbe riportato per anni utili di fantasia, Corriere di ieri); ENRON e' importante perche' muove le acque all'interno delle aziende. gli executives sanno che cosa hanno fatto. noi no, ma loro sì. gli executives, gli insiders, i contabili. in una situazione critica, o anche solo percependo un pericolo, vendono. chi ha un'oncia di coscienza sporca vende. garantito. e anche chi ha giocato sui limiti vende. questa e' la debolezza che vediamo sugli indici, stasera.

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  By: GZ on Martedì 22 Gennaio 2002 21:34

da : "daily reckoning" 1) normalmente in una recessione anche leggera la spesa per consumi del pubblico frena per via della disoccupazione e incertezza. Nel 2001 è aumentatainvece del 4.5%, ultimo dato trimestrale !. Quindi più di così non può aumentare, perchè è già al massimo. 2) la conseguenza di Enron (una delle tante) è che le aziende abbasserrano gli utili del prossimo trimestre, perchè per paura di finire nei guai useranno una contabilità con meno forzature. Enron nascondeva delle perdite tramite sussidiarie off-shore sperando di recuperarle l'anno dopo Stephen Roach explains: "Our U.S. team now estimates that real personal consumption expenditures surged at around a 4.5% sequential annual rate in 4Q01 [English translation: the last quarter of 2001]. Only once in the previous six recessions - way back in 2Q60 [the second quarter of 1960] when the consumption growth rate hit 5.1% - has consumer demand expanded more rapidly. By contrast, over the 28 recession quarters since the late 1950s, annualized consumption growth averaged a mere +0.4%. The spending burst of late 2001 was literally ten times as rapid as the recession norm. "In retrospect," continues the economist, "we know what did the trick in the period just ended - aggressive price cutting, lower energy costs, cash-outs from home mortgage refinancings, and a willingness to draw down income-based saving and take on more debt. Yet all this occurred in a climate of rising unemployment and slowing real income growth - typically a lethal combination for consumer demand. Never before have consumers stretched this far in the depths of recession. If that's not denial, I don't know what is." Businesses are coming to terms with the slump. They're taking charges, announcing losses and layoffs. Restating earnings. Capital spending has been sharply cut. But America's "brain-damaged" consumers and investors have not seemed to notice. They continue to borrow, spend and invest as if this were still the '90s. The recession has not corrected bad habits nor bad attitudes. Which leads us to believe that we'll need a lot more recession - and bear market - to get the job done. That doesn't necessarily mean that growth will remain negative forever. But a lot more worrying has to pile up before the stock market can climb a wall of it. Eric? ***** Eric Fry in New York... - The U.S. stock market was closed Monday in honor of Martin Luther King Day. It's probably fitting to take a breather from the stock market's violent swings to contemplate King's message of non-violence...You know, come to think of it, cash is a pretty peaceful investment. - So we return to our favorite topic of the day: Enron. - Everyone knows that in America you're innocent until proven guilty. That's one of the great principals of our criminal justice system. So let's hope that no one rushes to judge the participants in the Enron scandal, like CEO Kenneth Lay, for example. - Until proven otherwise, we should assume that he knew nothing about the off-balance-sheet partnerships that permitted his company to show strong earnings growth quarter-after-quarter. Nor should we assume that he had any idea that this bogus rapid earnings "growth" would cause Enron stock to soar, thereby enabling him to cash in millions of dollars worth of options. Nor should we infer any nefarious intent from the fact that he cashed in some of his stock at the same time that thousands of company employees were explicitly prohibited from doing the very same thing. It's probably all just a big misunderstanding. - Perhaps he was so busy feathering his nest that he simply did not have time to pay attention to the shenanigans going on inside his own company. Again, until proven otherwise, we should assume that no aspect of his behavior was unlawful, immoral, or downright scummy. - However, a few thousand Enron shareholders and bondholders will be keenly interested in finding out what Mr. Lay knew and when he knew it. A few million other investors might also care. - They'd like to know if this CEO is typical or atypical of America's corporate chieftains. Why was he unable - or unwilling - to safeguard the interests of common shareholders? Was he greedy, or just stupid? Perhaps there's even a perfectly benign explanation. The shareholders would love to hear it. - Meanwhile, a growing sense of disillusionment is arising from the realization that some of America's most prominent brokerage and accounting firms helped to construct and finance the Enron house of cards... Disillusionment is probably not bullish. - The stock market might be able to "climb a wall of worry," but it will likely collide head-on with a wall of investor distrust. - Enron's collapse "has strained the trust of all investors," says SmartMoney.com's Igor Greenwald. "[Its] implosion has already destroyed untold stores of goodwill, not the abstraction used to balance books but the real kind required to trust in the transparency of financial markets. That rare commodity has been squandered." - The stock market's sky-high valuations may not withstand growing investor skepticism. Additionally, says Greenwald, "looming on the horizon is that ultimate destroyer of share-price multiples - re-regulation." - Floyd Norris of the New York Times predicts the Enron debacle will frighten corporate America into reporting lower, more realistic, profits. - The S&P 500 earnings projections for 2002 that so many bullish analysts bandy about - $45 to $50 - generally refers to "operating earnings." Yet, under GAAP accounting, the S&P 500 will likely earn no more than $35 in 2002. - As investors begin to understand that 22 times projected "operating" earnings is actually 37 times GAAP earnings, their enthusiasm for stocks might wane just a bit. Edited by - gzibordi on 1/22/2002 20:37:23