Corona Virus

il mio approccio è sbagliato?

via, facciamoci una risata

Xtoll,direi che il suo approccio ,ora, è  profodamente sbagliato.

Le diatribe ,le diversità di approccio tra diverse correnti di pensiero sia epidemiologiche che più strettamente politiche ,sono attualmente SOLO STORIA  .

Ma adesso abbiamo  i numeri ed i risultati degli uffici nazionali di statistica.

In particolare  sappiamo cosa hanno fatto i diversi paesi in termini di restrizioni delle libertà personali.

Non ci vuole molto ad accopiare i dati.

E noi italiani ,che siamo stati i più sfigati dopo la Cina perchè siamo stati il primo dei paesi normali ad affrontare la pandemia ,grazie al governo Conte, abbiamo l'epidemia sotto controllo.

Che poi ,economicamente,abbiamo le pezze al culo più di tutti gli altri ...non è una novità.

Si possono tranquillamente ringraziare milioni di italiani e 20/30 anni di governi di tutti colori .

Hobi

Te sei completamente rintronato e fora di zuc.

Ma la nonna non te lo diceva che se ti mischiavi col tuo cuginetto che aveva la varicella

poi ti infettavi anche tu?

Ma rob de matt !

interessante (per chi ha ancora qualche neurone attivo):

Leaked mails reveal battle over Denmark's lockdown

Le statistiche in Inghilterra valgono di più che in Uganda o Brasile ...credo

UK has suffered more than 65,000 excess deaths since pandemic began Chris Giles Official figures on Tuesday showed that in the week ending June 12, there were still 559 more deaths in England and Wales than the average of the past five years. The figures raised the total number of UK excess deaths during the coronavirus pandemic to 65,202, close to one in every thousand people across the country since the week ending March 20. The Office for National Statistics said that there had been 9,976 deaths in England and Wales in total in the week to June 12. Deaths were falling in every area with Wales and the North East of England joining Northern Ireland in seeing deaths fall below the most recent five year average for the first time since late March. Deaths continued to be higher than normal in care homes and at people's homes, but were lower than in recent years in hospitals, indicating that some people were still dying at home who might have been able to receive treatment in hospitals Excess deaths is the most comprehensive measure of the toll of coronavirus across the UK and the 65,202 total compares with just under 53,000 people who have died with Covid-19 mentioned on their death certificates and the government's daily total, which only includes those that were tested positive for the virus at 42,647. 

Hobi

mai esistiti limiti per fare la spesa ... vabbé, se sei milanese e vuoi i pistacchi di Bronte non è che vai .... eccheccazzo

nessuno mi ha pestato, mi hanno detto 'se ci tieni alla salute tua e della tua famiglia indossa una cazzo di mascherina', l'ho fatto senza problemi

la Svezia ieri ha fatto la grazia di comunicare i suoi dati (non lo faceva dal 18) , 84 nuovi contagiati (solo il 18 1437, 1574 nei 4 giorni)

in svezia il gdp scendere come nel resto d europa...

https://www.ft.com/content/93105160-dcb4-4721-9e58-a7b262cd4b6e

In Italia siamo passati da molti pazienti gravi con cariche virali altissime a pochi pazienti con cariche virali molto basse spesso asintomatici.

Questo è avvenuto quasi dappertutto.

In Cina ,più che il distanziamento sociale,bastano pochi casi per praticare addirittura la segregazione sociale.

Comunque queste modalità di combattere la pandemia hanno funzionato.

Non sembrano invece aver funzionato le modalità improntate sul laissez faire ,perché in quei paesi il virus si è stabilizzato su livelli alti.

E con livelli alti di virus è ovvio che l'economia funzioni pure male.

In questo noi siamo dei campioni perché funzioniamo ,virus o non virus,male da decenni.

Hobi

elenco aggiornato delle evidenze mediche sulla terribile pandemia e il virus killer (di cervelli)

Facts about Covid-19

Fully referenced facts about Covid-19, provided by experts in the field, to help our readers make a realistic risk assessment. (Regular updates below)

“The only means to fight the plague is honesty.” (Albert Camus, 1947)

Overview

1. According to the latest immunological and serological studies, the overall lethality of Covid-19 (IFR) is about 0.1% and thus in the range of a strong seasonal influenza (flu).
2. In countries like the US, the UK, and also Sweden (without a lockdown), overall mortality since the beginning of the year is in the range of a strong influenza season; in countries like Germany, Austria and Switzerland, overall mortality is in the range of a mild influenza season.
3. Even in global “hotspots”, the risk of death for the general population of school and working age is typically in the range of a daily car ride to work. The risk was initially overestimated because many people with only mild or no symptoms were not taken into account.
4. Up to 80% of all test-positive persons remain symptom-free. Even among 70-79 year olds, about 60% remain symptom-free. Over 95% of all persons develop at most moderate symptoms.
5. Up to 60% of all persons may already have a certain cellular background immunity to Covid-19 due to contact with previous coronaviruses (i.e. common cold viruses). The initial assumption that there was no immunity against Covid-19 was not correct.
6. The median age of the deceased in most countries (including Italy) is over 80 years (e.g. 86 years in Sweden) and only about 4% of the deceased had no serious preconditions. The age and risk profile of deaths thus essentially corresponds to normal mortality.
7. In many countries, up to two thirds of all extra deaths occurred in nursing homes, which do not benefit from a general lockdown. Moreover, in many cases it is not clear whether these people really died from Covid19 or from weeks of extreme stress and isolation.
8. Up to 30% of all additional deaths may have been caused not by Covid19, but by the effects of the lockdown, panic and fear. For example, the treatment of heart attacks and strokes decreased by up to 60% because many patients no longer dared to go to hospital.
9. Even in so-called “Covid19 deaths” it is often not clear whether they died from or with coronavirus (i.e. from underlying diseases) or if they were counted as “presumed cases” and not tested at all. However, official figures usually do not reflect this distinction.
10. Many media reports of young and healthy people dying from Covid19 turned out to be false: many of these young people either did not die from Covid19, they had already been seriously ill (e.g. from undiagnosed leukaemia), or they were in fact 109 instead of 9 years old. The claimed increase in Kawasaki disease in children also turned out to be false.
11. Strong increases in regional mortality can occur if there is a collapse in the care of the elderly and sick as a result of infection or panic, or if there are additional risk factors such as severe air pollution. Questionable regulations for dealing with the deceased sometimes led to additional bottlenecks in funeral or cremation services.
12. In countries such as Italy and Spain, and to some extent the UK and the US, hospital overloads due to strong flu waves are not unusual. Moreover, this year up to 15% of health care workers were put into quarantine, even if they developed no symptoms.
13. The often shown exponential curves of “corona cases” are misleading, as the number of tests also increased exponentially. In most countries, the ratio of positive tests to tests overall (i.e. the positive rate) remained constant at 5% to 25% or increased only slightly. In many countries, the peak of the spread was already reached well before the lockdown.
14. Countries without curfews and contact bans, such as Japan, South Korea, Belarus or Sweden, have not experienced a more negative course of events than other countries. Sweden was even praised by the WHO and now benefits from higher immunity compared to lockdown countries.
15. The fear of a shortage of ventilators was unjustified. According to lung specialists, the invasive ventilation (intubation) of Covid19 patients, which is partly done out of fear of spreading the virus, is in fact often counterproductive and damaging to the lungs.
16. Contrary to original assumptions, various studies have shown that there is no evidence of the virus spreading through aerosols (i.e. tiny particles floating in the air) or through smear infections (e.g. on door handles or smartphones). The main modes of transmission are direct contact and droplets produced when coughing or sneezing.
17. There is also no scientific evidence for the effectiveness of face masks in healthy or asymptomatic individuals. On the contrary, experts warn that such masks interfere with normal breathing and may become “germ carriers”. Leading doctors called them a “media hype” and “ridiculous”.
18. Many clinics in Europe and the US remained strongly underutilized or almost empty during the Covid19 peak and in some cases had to send staff home. Millions of surgeries and therapies were cancelled, including many cancer screenings and organ transplants.
19. Several media were caught trying to dramatize the situation in hospitals, sometimes even with manipulative images and videos. In general, the unprofessional reporting of many media maximized fear and panic in the population.
20. The virus test kits used internationally are prone to errors and can produce false positive and false negative results. Moreover, the official virus test was not clinically validated due to time pressure and may sometimes react positive to other coronaviruses.
21. Numerous internationally renowned experts in the fields of virology, immunology and epidemiology consider the measures taken to be counterproductive and recommend rapid natural immunisation of the general population and protection of risk groups.
22. At no time was there a medical reason for the closure of schools, as the risk of disease and transmission in children is extremely low. There is also no medical reason for small classes, masks or ‘social distancing’ rules in schools.
23. The claim that only (severe) Covid-19 but not influenza may cause venous thrombosis and pulmonary (lung) embolism is not true, as it has been known for 50 years that severe influenza greatly increases the risk of thrombosis and embolism, too.
24. Several medical experts described express coronavirus vaccines as unnecessary or even dangerous. Indeed, the vaccine against the so-called swine flu of 2009, for example, led to sometimes severe neurological damage and lawsuits in the millions. In the testing of new coronavirus vaccines, too, serious complications and failures have already occurred.
25. A global influenza or corona pandemic can indeed extend over several seasons, but many studies of a “second wave” are based on very unrealistic assumptions, such as a constant risk of illness and death across all age groups.
26. Several nurses, e.g. in New York City, described an oftentimes fatal medical mis­manage­ment of Covid patients due to questionable financial incentives or inappropriate medical protocols.
27. The number of people suffering from unemployment, depressions and domestic violence as a result of the measures has reached historic record values. Several experts predict that the measures will claim far more lives than the virus itself. According to the UN 1.6 billion people around the world are at immediate risk of losing their livelihood.
28. NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden warned that the “corona crisis” will be used for the permanent expansion of global surveillance. Renowned virologist Pablo Goldschmidt spoke of a “global media terror” and “totalitarian measures”. Leading British virologist Professor John Oxford spoke of a “media epidemic”.
29. More than 600 scientists have warned of an “unprecedented surveillance of society” through problematic apps for “contact tracing”. In some countries, such “contact tracing” is already carried out directly by the secret service. In several parts of the world, the population is already being monitored by drones and facing serious police overreach.
30. A 2019 WHO study on public health measures against pandemic influenza found that from a medical perspective, “contact tracing” is “not recommended in any circumstances”. Nevertheless, contact tracing apps have already become partially mandatory in several countries.

Casomai il presuntuoso cretino fosse arrivato fino qui, attento!:

In April alone, around 10,000 additional dementia patients without corona infection died in England and Wales due to weeks of isolation.

Come  si fa a stecchire il virus? Ve lo insegnano i cnesi, banda di imbecilli rammolliti .

Gli da fastidio anche  la mascherina a questi asini allevati in cattivita'.

Nei giorni scorsi era stata lanciata l’allerta dopo il focolaio scoppiato nel più grande mercato alimentare di Pechino, Xinfadi, che riforniva il 70% dei prodotti freschi in città, prima di essere chiuso ed essere individuato come l’origine di 236 contagi. Ma ora le autorità spiegano che la situazione è sotto controllo: nelle ultime 24 ore sono stati registrati 18 i nuovi casi di Covid-19 in tutta la Cina, la metà dei quali nella capitale. Ed è la prima volta dal 13 giugno che a Pechino vengono annunciati meno di 10 nuove infezioni. Tra i nuovi casi, due sono stati registrati nella provincia di Hebei, mentre altri sette sono ‘importati’ e diagnosticati a Shanghai, Tianjin, Liaoning e Shaanxi. Dal 13 giugno le autorità hanno imposto rigide misure di contenimento alla popolazione, isolando interi quartieri, imponendo la chiusura delle scuole e lo stop a tutti i viaggi non necessari, oltre a testare più di 2,3 milioni di persone.

100 infermieri morti al mese una influenza normale non li fa...

In Brasile i casi di Covid-19 sfiorano il milione (cifra più alta al mondo dopo gli Usa), i morti sono quasi 50mila e Medici senza frontieredichiara: “L’incubo Covid-19 è tutt’altro che sotto controllo: test insufficienti, operatori sanitari colpiti – 100 infermieri morti al mese – e comunità vulnerabili più a rischio, come quelle indigene nello stato di Amazonas, dove si registra il più alto tasso di mortalità

https://www.ilfattoquotidiano.it/2020/06/19/coronavirus-nella-favela-piu-grande-del-brasile-dove-muore-un-malato-su-tre-il-reportage-su-fq-millennium-in-edicola/5840966/

Dove le donne hanno storicamente potere, 

la popolazione è bella uniforme e sana. Svezia, Germania, Africa sub-sahariana.