Enron basta e avanza 2

Ancora sul caso Enron, ecco le banche che ci hanno rimesso e quanto... * When Enron went bust, an estimated 45 companies felt the effects, absorbing tremendous losses. J.P. Morgan Chase lost $1 billion from Enron. Bank of America and Citigroup - $500 million each. Hartford Insurance Group - $92 million. Principal Financial Group - $171 million. Dallas-based electricity and natural gas producer TXU - $20 million. The list grows daily. E ora che succede? 1 billion non è poco nemmeno per JPM .... Dott Zib. quali pensano possano essere le conseguenze su titoli esposti come questi? Grazie Donatello

ma sul serio quello che scrive è vero?

Beh, volendo fare della dietrologia... Chi ci dice, per esempio, che lo scandalo Lewinsky non sia stato anche un po' "spinto" da parte democratica. Belli contenti di poter esporre ai Repubblicani un bel bersaglio facile e di stufare l'opinione pubblica che, infatti, dopo qualche mese non voleva più sentir parlare di scandalo Clinton.

Molta gente è rimasta sopresa che i mercati finanziari americani e in generale il sistema politico siano sopravvissuti a quello che è accaduto sotto Clinton. Perchè si parla di catene di morti. La lista che ho copiato è una delle tante, se ne trovano forse ancora su http://www.newsmax.com/ oppure http://www.dailyreckoning.com/ Ad es l'ex capo della Cia in pensione Colby è stato trovato morto affogato mentre andava in canoa nell'April 1996 Due mesi prima aveva cominciato a collaborare a "strategic investment" (ora diventato www.dailyreckoning.com) che è la pubblicazione politico-finanziaria che aveva sollevato diversi casi di omicidio nei riguardi di Clinton. Ricordo che ero abbonato alla rivista e cominciai a leggere che Colby avrebbe scritto su Clinton e dopo un mese lessi che era morto affogato mentre andava in canoa da solo. C'è una letteratura enorme su Clinton e parliamo di omicidi, non di monica lewinsky. Il Wall Street Journal ha pubblicato 3 volumi di 500 pagine l'uno "Clinton Scandals" il Daily Telegraph (quotidiano più diffuso d'inghilterra) ha un suo editorialista, Ambrose Evans-Pritchard che quando era caporedattore per l'america ha pubblicato: "The Secret Life of Bill Clinton" che è il più completo ed è un libro che toglie il respiro. Mi è venuta la curiosità di queste vicende quando abitavo a Los Angeles. Una volta ho sentito una mia vicina di casa alla posta raccontare di come era venuta via dall'Arkansas per paura, di come una sua vicina di casa aveva avuto la casa bruciata per aver criticato il sindaco del posto, delle intimidazioni, ricatti e violenze della "Dixie" mafia e dei politici locali. Ci sono 3 o 4 stati nel sud dell'america che assomigliano al peggio della Calabria e l'Arkansas di cui Clinton è stato governatore è sempre stato il peggiore. In America esiste la "Dixie Mafia", la cosidetta mafia del sud su cui non sono mai stati fatti i film come quella italo-americana per cui non la si conosce all'estero, ma che fa molti più omicidi. Il suo centro è l'Arkansas e in particolare Hot Springs, vicino alla capitale, Little Rock. Clinton è cresciuto a Hot Springs allevato da uno zio sospettato di farne parte. Da quando era governatore Clinton è stato seguito da una scia di omicidi i più clamorosi sono quelli del capo del suo servizio di sicurezza a Little Rock, Jerry Parks di un paio di donne che volevano testimoniare contro di lui. L'unico di cui si è parlato sulla stampa è il suicidio apparente di Vince Forster, che era stato legale dei Clinton per anni, ex-partner nello studio legale di Hillary (e sospettato di esserne stato amante) diventato consigliere legale della Casa Bianca, trovato morto alle 5 del pomeriggio in un parco vicino all'ufficio. Ma la lista di gente che è finita ammazzata o suicidata è impressionante e nessun presidente americano è mai stato coinvolto in una serie di vicende anche vagamente simili. E' veramente ironico che l'unica vicenda per cui ha rischiato qualcosa sia quella di monica lewinsky, in un certo senso è stata la sua fortuna. E' una vicenda affascinante e per chi l'ha seguita mostra che il sistema politico-finanziario è in grado di assorbire cose anche piuttosto tremende. ------------------ MORTE DEL EX-CAPO DELLA CIA --------------------------------------------- William Colby Director of Central Intelligence Agency (C.I.A.)(retired) Died - April 27 1996 William Colby had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford. At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for Strategic Investment at the time of his death. This had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years. Indeed, his dismissal by Ford because of his over-cooperation with Congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing. It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro, the spying on American citizens (in direct violation of the CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on unsuspecting citizens. He was replaced by George Bush. According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock at Colby's house, by another report, 1/4 of a mile downstream from Colby's home. Colby was by all report a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop everything and go canoeing. On Monday, May 6th, Colby's body was found just 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been thoroughly sarched several times by helicopters and search teams. Most notable about the body was the absence of life jacket, which according to his wife, Colby always wore on the water. ------------------------------------- Modificato da - gzibordi on 1/26/2002 12:13:49

ma dove ha trovato questa lista di gente morta ammazata? Grazie Donatello

Salve Dott.Zibrdi dove ha trovato quella lista di persone uccise tutte vicine a Bill Clinton? Grazie Donatello

come coperchio andrebbe bene una guerricciola all'Iraq? Me lo chiedo vedendo correre il dollaro un po' troppo in fretta, mi pare. Ditemi che mi sbaglio, per favore. 2ali

luke, si tratta di distinguere morale politica e mercato. personalmente non ho dubbi sull'onesta' dei Clinton. nel senso che mi sembrano parte di un sistema corrotto, corrotto fino al midollo. la politica americana e' basata sul "raising funds", la raccolta dei fondi. vince chi ne raccoglie di piu'. finanza e contabilita' sono parte dello schema. la cosa bizzarra e' che Clinton sia stato fatto fuori per quella storia, une jeune fille...ma si puo'? i Bush sono la feccia del sistema. pero', se riescono a coprire lo scandalo, anche ricorrendo ad assassinii mirati, possono salvarsi. l'ex presidente della SEC ha dichiarato: "I told you so!", ve lo avevo detto. gli analisti finanziari e le aziende di revisione dei conti lavorano alle dipendenze delle grandi corporation. e' un autentico casino. conflitto di interessi permanente. beccano gli stipendi da coloro che dovrebbero controllare e sorvegliare. e le grandi corporation, a loro volta, finanziano i politici, di qualunque partito siano. clamoroso il caso Enron. questa bestiaccia ha dato soldi alla gran parte dei senatori, dei deputati, dei governatori. persino il ministro della giustizia ha dovuto chiamarsi fuori. e' una pioggia di dollari. contabilita'-finanza-politica, il paese e' marcio. devi tenerci il coperchio sopra, legato stretto. se la pentola esplode si salvi chi puo'.

storia di suicidi famosi in diretta dal cesso :( puntata nr 1) ...Tutto incomincia la mattina del 19 novembre 1981, quando il quotidiano La Repubblica, con un titolo a piena pagina, annuncia: "Grande accordo De Benedetti-Calvi". Nella stessa pagina si informa che "la Borsa, euforica, ha guadagnato il 4%".[bullish n.d.r] Carlo De Benedetti, intervistato, elogia Roberto Calvi (che a quella data è già stato condannato, è già stato in carcere, ha già tentato il suicidio, è già stato fatto oggetto di ripetute interrogazioni parlamentari per la sua disinvolta attività all’estero, è già stato messo sotto accusa per i rapporti con Gelli e con la "P2") in questi termini: "E’ certamente un gran lavoratore. Ha saputo condurre egregiamente il suo gruppo e i dati finanziari ed economici lo dimostrano. Gli investimenti che ha fatto nel corso del tempo, la Toro, la Banca Cattolica del Veneto, il Credito Varesino, si sono rivelati estremamente validi. Per quanto riguarda la persona, non è compito mio esprimere giudizi". Il giorno dopo, 20 novembre, altro titolo a piena pagina su la Repubblica: "Calvi e De Benedetti due volpi per un impero". Nel testo, la decisione di De Benedetti viene spiegata in questi termini: "De Benedetti capisce che arrivare all’Ambrosiano significa sedersi in uno dei crocicchi nei quali sono passati non solo molti affari, ma anche molti giochi di potere. Sa che l’Ambrosiano, nei prossimi anni, sarò decisivo. Nelle sue casseforti c’è tanta parte della storia non scritta (e, forse, non scrivibile) di questo Paese. E sa anche che nella Centrale, controllata dall’Ambrosiano, c’è il 40 per cento della Rizzoli e il diritto di prelazione sul resto della Società editoriale. La Banca d’Italia ha imposto di vendere quel 40 per cento. Ma intanto il pacco di azioni sta lì. E, in ogni caso, è meglio starci seduto sopra che girarci intorno a vuoto. E non si tratta solo di questo: la finanza italiana è da tempo un po’ assonnata, le grandi Banche fanno solo le Banche, Cuccia di Mediobanca (che ha concepito tutti i grandi disegni di rinnovamento di questo dopoguerra) ha ormai 74 anni. Come non vedere nella poltrona di Vicepresidente del Banco Ambrosiano anche un’occasione per fare e disfare, per spingere e per rallentare, per guidare, insomma, l’industria italiana?" L’ingresso di De Benedetti nel Banco apre a Roberto Calvi le porte dei manipolatori d’opinione del fronte laico. Il 6 dicembre 1981 l’Espresso pubblica una lunga intervista con il banchiere, intitolata: "Perché ho sposato De Benedetti". Anche qui, le lodi a Calvi si sprecano: "E l’uomo-cassaforte d’Italia. Sia per i miliardi che per i segreti, che ai miliardi sempre si accompagnano. Ha una predisposizione naturale per l’ombra, ma da molti mesi è costretto a stare sotto la luce dei riflettori. Il 1981 è stato un anno clou per lui: fatto di grandezze e di miserie. Ha conosciuto il carcere, è stato condannato a quattro anni, gli si è scaricato addosso il tornado della P2. Ma ha anche aumentato il capitale dell’Ambrosiano, sta per aumentare quello della Centrale, si è comprato il Corriere e ha appena celebrato il brillante matrimonio con Carlo De Benedetti..." [adesso vado al mare che ho due regate sabato e domenica , ma lunedì torno e se volete vi servo il resto .quando il nano pelato ancora giochicchiava con le ville di macherio c' era qualcuno che già pensava in grande....]

Beh, questa storia della natura "bullish" di un possibile suicidio mancava alla collezione. Della serie: "siamo potenti e sfrenati, non ci frega una mazza degli altri, basta che gli S&P volino". Molto politicaly correct, attualmente, ma purtroppo io scrivo dalla terra di San Francesco ed anche se non ho mai svolto professioni di ascetismo o quant'altro, la morale (?) che vedo in quell'affermazione mi fa umanamente schifo. Se poi si riesce a far passare lo scandalo ENE per una delle (immense) colpe di Clinton, allora gioco un miliardo sul Perugia in Champion's League alla fine della stagione. Della serie: "la verità? Buttala nel cesso e tira subito lo scarico. Anzi, visto che ci sei, tiralo ancora e usa pure lo spazzolino, per eliminare le incrostazioni". Modificato da - lu.luke on 1/25/2002 19:3:53

bullish? se ammazzano tutti i testimoni e' estremamente bullish...

sembra bullish vedo gli S&P girare ---------------------------------------- A parte gli schezi QUESTA che segue E' LA LISTA CHE GIRAVA DUE O TRE ANNI FA DELLA GENTE LEGATA A CLINTON CHE E' MORTA AMMAZZATA, cominciando dallo scandalo di Vince Forster, consigliere legale di Clinton e amante di Hillay trovato morto a mezzo km dalla casa bianca, al capo delle sue guardie del corpo in Arkansas Jerry Parks che teneva un dossier su Clinton per Vince Forster a altre 20 persone ALL'EPOCA PENSAVO CHE IL MERCATO DOVESSE CEDERE PER QUESTI MOTIVI .... --------------------------------- GARY JOHNSON - lawyer who lived next door to Gennifer Flowers' apt. Familiar with what was going on inside. i.e. visits from Bill, and of course, her gossip to him. Not dead, but beaten near death and left for dead. Had security videotapes of Clinton entering Gennifer Flowers' apartment. His tapes were taken. On 26 June 1992, he was severly beaten to the point that his spleen had to be removed. Mary Mahoney. Died July 1997. Was a former intern working for Bill Clinton. In the pre-trial publicity surrounding Paul Jones' lawsuit, and mere days after Newsweek's Mike Isikoff had dropped hints that a former White House staffer was going to go public with her story of sexual harassment at the White House, gunmen entered the Starbuck's coffee house in Georgetown while the crew was cleaning up after closing. Mary's two associates were taken to a room and executed. Mary had five bullets in her. No money was taken. Isikoff's former White House staffer never appears and the Georgetown police steadfastly refuse to comment on this heinous killing - a killing the police say is extraordinary since they never have even one shooting in this area, much less three people executed in the same place on the sam night and nothing taken. Paula Grober, Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf. Died December 9, 1992 in a one-car accident with no known witnesses. I have seen a photo of Paula and she was very attractive; traveled extensively with Clinton from 1978 until her death. Vincent Foster. White House Counsel. Died July 21, 1993. Everyone's heard the whitewash from two independent prosecutors but if you want the truth and not "spin", order Chris Ruddy's book, The Strange Death of Vince Foster. Suicide my foot. There are several troubling aspects in this photograph, which reveal it to be a staged shot. First and foremost among them the total lack of blood anywhere in the scene. blood is the single, strongest proof that Vincent Foster did NOT put the gun into his own mouth and pulls the trigger. Had he done so, the blowback from the gunshot would have coated the gun, hand, and white sleeve of Foster's shirt with a spray of blood and organic matter. None appears in the photo anywhere. The FBI lab report reveals that even with the most sensitive chemical test available, no blood was found on the gun that Foster (we are told) inserted into his mouth and fired. Not only that, Foster's fingerprints were not on the gun. Jerry Parks, Head of Clinton's Gubernatorial security team in Little Rock. Died September 26, 1993. Gunned down in his car at a deserted intersection outside Little Rock. His family reported that shortly before his death, they were being followed by unknown persons and their home had been broken into; Parks had been compiling a dossier on Clinton's illicit activities; the dossier was stolen and never recovered. Maj. General William Robertson, Deputy Commanding General, V Corps, Europe, former bodyguard to Clinton. Colonel William Densberger, V Corps Chief of Operations and Plans, former Clinton bodyguard. Colonel Robert Kelly, V Corps Chief of Intelligence. Former Clinton bodyguard. Specialist Gary Rhodes, Crew Chief. All died February 23, 1993. All were killed when their helicopter crashed in Weisbaden, Germany. No cause ever determined. V Corps figured prominently in the US Bosnia-Serbia peacekeeping operations, along with the carrier Roosevelt. These men and 8 others associated with Clinton's visit to the Roosevelt all died within four months of each other. Steve Willis, Clinton Bodyguard. Robert Williams, Clinton bodyguard. Conway BeBleu, Clinton bodyguard. Todd McKeehan, Clinton bodyguard. All executed by gunfire in the Waco, Texas assault on the Branch Davidians. All four were examined by a private doctor and died from nearly identical words to the left temple. All deaths blamed on the Branch Davidians. Amazing that the Branch Davidians could place the gunshots to each of their heads in roughly the same places. Amazing. Staff Sgt. Brian Haney, Clinton bodyguard. Marine Sgt. Tim Sabel, Clinton bodyguard. Major William Barkley, Clinton bodyguard, Capt. Scott Reynolds, Clinton bodyguard. All died May 19, 1993 when their helicopter crashed in the woods near Quantico, VA. All four men had escorted Clinton on his flight to the carrier Roosevelt shortly before their deaths. My husband was in the Army 27 years and is a retired Colonel. We have been absolutely stunned by the overwhelming number of crashed military planes and helicopters since Clinton took office. It is unprecedented and in case you are unaware, Clinton stated in his evasion letters to avoid the draft back in the '60's that he "hated the military." Dead Fund Raisers: C. Victor Raiser II, National Finance Co-Chairman for Clinton for President Campaign. Montgomery Raiser, son of C. Victor Raiser: both men died July 30, 1992 in a private plan crash in Alaska en route to a fishing expedition. No cause was ever determined. Five others not connected to Clinton died with them. Paul Tully, Democratic National Committee Political Director. Died September 24, 1992. Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, Arkansas of unknown causes. No autopsy allowed. Ed Willey, Real Estate Attorney, Clinton Fund Raiser. Died November 30, 1993 of a gunshot wound to the head. Body found deep in the woods in Virginia. Ruled a suicide. No note was found nor motive ever determined. THE Kathleen Willey of 60 Minutes Deception fame- her husband. Hershell Friday. Attorney and Clinton fund raiser, dead March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded. No known cause ever determined. James Bunch, influential Texan died in 1993 from a gunshot wound similar to Vince Foster's. Was discovered to have a "little black book" which contained the names of many influential people in Texas and Arkansas who visited certain prostitutes. A good friend of Bill's. John Wilson, former Washington, DC Councilman. Died May 18, 1993. Found dead from an apparent hanging suicide. Was getting ready to start talking about Clinton. Dead men tell no tales. Bill Shelton, Arkansas State Trooper and Fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Died June 1994 by allegedly committing suicide by shooting himself at the grave site of his fiancee, Kathy Ferguson. Ferguson was the ex-wife of Trooper Danny Ferguson. Kathy also committed "suicide" in June 1994 when she shot herself in her living room. Strangely, next to her body were her packed bags as if she was expecting to go somewhere. I guess she was packed for her after life...Danny Ferguson is a co-defendant along with Bill Clinton in Paul Jones' sexual harassment suit. Kathy was reported as a corroborating witness for Paula Jones. Gandy Baugh, Attorney representing Mr. Lassiter in a case concerning alleged financial misconduct. Died May 1994 in an alleged suicide by jumping out of a window of a multi-story building. Lassiter was a close associate of then Gov. Clinton and was later indicted and convicted on cocaine charges and was PARDONED by Bill Clinton. Slick has now started his big ad campaign on the war on drugs yet he pardons his close cocaine dealing bud. Ronald Rogers was killed in a plane crash. Dr. Rogers was a dentist and was on his way to an interview with a London Daily Telegraph reporter to reveal information on Bill Clinton that he just couldn't live with anymore - and he didn't. He died with the truth. Stanley Huggins, partner in a Memphis law firm in 1993, found dead at the age of 46. Law firm headed a 1987 investigation into the practices of Madison S & L; his 300 page report has never been released. Florence Martin, accountant subcontracting to the CIA , found dead in 1994 in Mabell, Texas, the victim of three gunshot wounds to the head. Ms. Martin had the documents and paperwork, including the PIN number for an account that had been set up in the name of Barry Seal for $1.5 million at the Fuji Bank in the Cayman Islands. Oddly enough, following her death, the money was transferred to the Guaranty Bank in the Cayman Islands and then to another bank in the Virgin Islands. Jim Wilhite, associate of Mack McClarty's former firm. Many remember the sleezy McClarty from Clinton's first administration. Wilhite died in a skiing accident on December 21, 1992. Michael Kennedy and Sonny Bono should have paid attention to history - it has a habit of repeating itself and some people relive it. As a side-note, during the Waco whitewash congressional hearings, Bono, in tears, said Janet Reno was a mass murderer. Well, he's not around to criticize her anymore and no doubt, she will get away with gassing and burning 100 Americans. Susanne Coleman. Had an affair with Bill Clinton when he was Attorney General down in Arkansas. She was another ASS victim: Arkansas Suicide Syndrome. Gunshot to the back of her head. No autopsy performed, she was pregnant at the time of her murder; rumors around Little Rock: Bill was about to become a pappy again. Paul Wilcher, Washington attorney investigating government corruption. Died June 22, 1993. Found dead on a toilet in his Washington apartment. No cause of death ever determined. At the time of his death, he was investigating connections between the alleged October Surprise, which involved Reagan, "Ollie" North, Pointdexter and Secord - another cover-up, as well as Waco and the drug and gun-running still going on outside Mena, Arkansas. Wilcher had delivered his 100+ page report to Janet the Butcher of Waco Reno a week before his death. I have a copy of this report. Jon Parnell Walker, RTC investigator [Resolution Trust Corporation - as in bank fraud investigations] who mysteriously fell to his death from an apartment balcony at the Lincoln Towers in Arlington, VA. This apartment is reported to be the one Vince Foster used as a retreat. Back in 1992, Walker contacted the Kansas City RTC office for information concerning the ties between Whitewater and the Clinton duo. What exactly was he looking for? A reported $50 million transfer from an RTC fund in Chicago to Madison Guaranty S & L to cover up a $47 million dollar embezzlement. I watched the hearings on C-SPAN with the RTC group. Those who tried to tell the truth were slayed by the Demarats on the committee. Another whitewash on Whitewater. Ron Brown, Former Chairman of the DNC and Commerce Secretary. The Liars for Hire aka the establishment media, have done their best to smear anyone trying to get to the bottom of this very convenient and horrible plane crash in which 39 people were killed. April 3, 1996 the T-43 carrying this trade mission group on a trip to Bosnia crashed while approaching Dubrovnik airport. Ron Brown was on the verge of being indicted and had prior to his departure, mait known that he "wasn't going down alone." William Colby Director of Central Intelligence (ret) Died - April 27(?), 1996 William Colby had been the DCI from 1973 to 1976 under Nixon and Ford. At age 76, Colby had found a new career and had just started writing for Strategic Investment at the time of his death. This had worried many insiders in the intelligence community who felt that Colby had already divulged too many of the CIA's secrets in the preceding years. Indeed, his dismissal by Ford because of his over-cooperation with Congressional investigations into CIA wrongdoing. It was Colby who had revealed to Congress the plans to kill Fidel Castro, the spying on American citizens (in direct violation of the CIA charter) and the conducting of biological tests by the CIA on unsuspecting citizens. He was replaced by George Bush. According to the original CNN report, Colby was reported missing by neighbors who "recovered" his canoe, by one story from under the dock at Colby's house, by another report, 1/4 of a mile downstream from Colby's home. Colby was by all report a methodical, tidy man, yet police found his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. The official story is that Colby just put down his fork and decided to drop everything and go canoeing. On Monday, May 6th, Colby's body was found just 20 yards from where his canoe had been recovered, in an area that had been thoroughly sarched several times by helicopters and search teams. Most notable about the body was the absence of life jacket, which according to his wife, Colby always wore on the water. Modificato da - gzibordi on 1/25/2002 18:53:57

e' stato trovato morto in auto con un bigliettino accanto. mancano ulteriori particolari. il fatto che i media titolino SUICIDE e KILLED HIMSELF 5 minuti dopo e' altamente sospetto, in mancanza di prove e di particolari. come sai, e' da settimane che si fa "shredding" di documenti. chiaro che vado a naso, ma questo sa tanto di "shredding human documents".

Vuoi dire tipo Roberto Calvi?

Si suicida Clifford Baxter, ex vicepresidente Enron fino al maggio 2001. Diciamo apparente suicidio (e' la formula d'uso).