COPERTURA DA CRASH... POSSIBILE SENZA INFICIARE TROPPO IL RENDIMENTO?

 

  By: marco on Lunedì 06 Agosto 2007 14:25

la differenza fra Cramer e gli altri è che lui prima ha fatto l'hedge, ha fatto i soldi e dopo si è messo a fare il commentatore sostanzialmente ha fatto quello che vorremmo fare tutti.

 

  By: temistocle2 on Lunedì 06 Agosto 2007 14:03

qui c'è una bella stroncatura di ^Cramer #http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pd5zAbDKZEg^ fatta da ITulip , con tutte le contraddizioni in cui è caduto negli ultimi tempi. Certo è un personaggio famoso e seguito (cosa che va a discredito degli Yankee), ma non sembra averci mai azzeccato molto. Un pò mi ricorda quel televenditore con i baffi, quello con l'asma che vendeva orologi... Che ne pensate? ciao

 

  By: beppe on Lunedì 06 Agosto 2007 12:32

Sullo stesso sito, c'è anche un'altra intervista del 4 agosto che però non fa ridere come quella del 3 purtroppo. Un salutone a tutti, io sono in svizzera (per i motivi che già sapete) e quel crollo me lo sono perso tutto: ho visto il disastro solo quando sono arrivato in albergo alle 11.30 di sera purtroppo. Continuo a pensare che questo ribasso è "naturale" e che si va giù fino a ottobre. La fed non taglia un bel niente (non può, non deve, e non è necessario secondo me), specialmente se Cramer lo chiede: è già stata brava a limitare le perdite del DJ ad un misero -2% in un venerdì che (viste le news alla tv) poteva essere tranquillamente un -4% ( io dicevo -3%...ma senza bear stern...). buon trading: spaccategli le ossa!!! beppe

Il video di Cramer - gz  

  By: GZ on Lunedì 06 Agosto 2007 12:16

Venerdì sembrava che i danni fossero limitati, poi c'è stata la conference call di Bear Sterns in cui invece di rassicurare il direttore finanziario ha detto: ''.. sono 22 anni che lavoro qui a non ho mai visto una crisi simile..'' e l'^apparizione di Jim Cramer a CNBC un ora dopo#http://www.cnbc.com/id/20111570^ alle 20 italiane in cui si è messo letteralmente ad urlare ''... la FED non ha nessuna idea ! ..la FED non ha nessuna idea ! ..la FED non ha nessuna idea ! .. abbiamo Armageddon nel reddito fisso.. deve tagliare i tassi!'' (Cramer è il commentatore di borsa, ex-fund manager, più seguito d'america ed è sempre stato toro). Puoi fare l'analisi tecnica che vuoi ma in casi del genere è meglio che tieni accesa la TV e segui le notizie Da quel momento il Dow ha perso 150 punti, l'S&P 15 punti e il Russell è arrivato a -4% venerdì sera !

 

  By: GZ on Martedì 31 Luglio 2007 18:58

uno dei migliori gestori del mondo il Jeremy Grantham che ha 180 miliardi in gestione (e non perchè appartiene a una banca perchè questi soldi ce li ha anche Unicredito) nel suo report trimestrale uscito il 25 dice che questa è la terza grande opportunità della sua carriera "Anti-Rischio" stare alla larga da tutto quello che è rischioso, stare a guardare a distanza un "disastro ferroviario al rallentatore" (slow train wreck)

 

  By: GZ on Mercoledì 11 Luglio 2007 17:08

cominci a leggere questi titoli iellati -------------------------------------------------- The Financial Panic of ’07 May Have Started Today Jeffrey Cooper Jul 11, 2007 8:18 am A panic can occur when you have to sell something that you don’t want to, because what you want to sell you can’t. The wicked king of parody is kissing all his enemies On the seventh day of the seventh week The tyrant’s voice is softer now but just for one forgiving hour Before the rise of his iron fist again -Natalie Merchant (Thick As Thieves) “Behind every great fortune there is a crime.” -Honore de Balzac “The borrowing has to stop. The market slide was a shot right between the eyes that had better wake us all up to the simple fact that we can’t keep romping forever on borrowed money.” -Lee Iacocca, Chrysler Corp Chairman, October 20, 1987 “Technically, the crash of 1987 bears an uncanny resemblance to the crash of 1929. The shape and extent of the decline, and even the day to day movement of stock prices track very closely.” -George Soros “I will tell you that, prior to the opening of the market, John J.Phelan, Chairman of the NYSE and I had a conversation where he advised me that there was an inordinate number – unbelievable I think was his word – of sell orders coming into their market. That was like an hour before the opening on Monday. So we saw it coming, but who knows who pushed the button to make it happen. I think that button was pushed a million times by a million people.” -Leo Melaned, Chairman of the Chicago Merc, October 28, 1927 The financial panic of ’07 may have started today. I don’t make that statement promiscuously. However, the dollar fell out of bed again, making a twenty-six year low against the pound. And, what must have been truly terrifying for the dyed-in-the-bovine-dip permabulls: a rocketing bond rally failed to support stock. The rally in bonds and the break in equities had the feeling of a flight to safety as a whiff of panic permeated Tape Town. The news breaks with the cycles. If stocks opened weak on Tuesday as investors cringed on poor reports from D.R. Horton (DHI), Home Depot (HD), and Sears Holdings (SHLD), underscoring a dreary housing market, stocks plunged on news that Standard and Poors Credit Service slashed the ratings on billions and billions of dollars of subprime loans. Circling the wagons on 399 such loans to be specific, Standard and Poors stepped up the plate in addressing its mandate as a rating agency par excellence and put some wood on the ball, saying “The level of losses continues to exceed historical precedents.” We are left to connect the dots as to which precedent they are referring to. But, I have connected a few of those dots recently as to the cyclical precedent as to the panics in 1857, 1907, 1937, 1957, 1987, and let’s not forget the 1997 ‘Asian Contagion’ that affected world markets. What are they going to call this one? The Western Infection? The $64 bln question will be what happens in the Asian market Tuesday night (this is being written on Tuesday afternoon). Will the Chinese market follow suit? A look at the FXI shows a measured move that suggests at least an interim peak. From a break out above 117 on June 14th the FXI ran immediately to 130. From there the FXI left a Cooper 1-2-3 Runaway Pullback at 126. Symmetrical 13 points added to 126 gives 139. FXI tagged 139 on Monday. The move up in the FXI from 90 in March to 133 represents a 360-degree move on the Square of Nine Chart. The move to 139 represents a potential 45-degree overthrow. Interestingly, 137 squares out on July 9th. Manias usually precede panics. I think it is safe to say that this particular period has had its share of manias – be it condo flipping; Private Equity; the expanding debt bubble; hedge fund chic, without the check in the mail, a.k.a. the Adoration of the Under-performance Gods; or the CDO mess – the Creepy Debt Overhang; or be it the trotting of the Horsemen of Momentum, seen in the likes of Baidu.com (BIDU), Apple (APPL), Research in Motion (RIMM), or Crocs (CROX). Every bull market has its particular folly, scheme or fantasy which provides a chasm for unrealized gains and a new generation of susceptible believers. This has always been the case thoroughout history. All of these follies and schemes spin on the spokes of the wheel of love of gain, the desire for excitement, the compulsion for easy money and the fix for a free lunch. Panics are a product of crowd behavior. But herd mentality, when it shifts, can do so like a school of fish, all at once– usually when it suspects a predator. A panic occurs when someone says sell and the response is “Sell to whom?” A panic is what occurs when there is nothing left to worry about. Usually because the worries become indelible and concrete. A panic occurs when delusion topples off the wall of worries like some kind of mark to the market Humpty Dumpty scrambled with an instrument of tyranny– tyranny of the mean – reversion to the mean, that is. Has the market’s apparent resilience to all the slings and arrows of late been a sign of strength? Or conversely, is the message that when the dynamics of the law of physics are tampered with the result is often Repulsion of the Mean. A panic can occur when the kimono is lifted and it is apparent that price is rife with artifice– that prices have been cobbled with delusion in the penthouses of a Wall Street thick with thieves. A panic can occur when you have to sell something that you don’t want to, because what you want to sell you can’t. It is called forced liquidation. Leverage is the mother of extreme forced liquidation. This bull market has seen many meteors, but the leading sector as a whole in the market has been the energy arena. I believe that a breakdown in this group would be a stake in the heart of the vampire of recent speculation– a sign of the bear, and indicate such liquidation. I have never seen a bull market without the financials leading. And they are leading down. A corresponding break in the oil patch could be the gusher in reverse that drains point count from the S&P leading to a break of the Big W below 1490.

 

  By: GZ on Mercoledì 27 Giugno 2007 02:08

a inizio giugno ^Drobny Global Advisors#http://www.drobny.com/index1.php^ un servizio per gli hedge fund (gli autori di ^Inside the House of Money#http://www.insidethehouseofmoney.com/home/^) hanno fatto un analisi concludendo che finisce come nel 1987 sia nel 1987 che nella crisi del 1997 e del 1998 è stato una questione di pochi giorni, il mercoledì il mercato era ancora toro e il lunedì era giù del -20% ------------------- Beware The Gordon Gecko Flashback Market Drobny Global Advisors 06.04.07 Excerpted from the May 27 issue of Inside Global Markets Last month, The New York Times reported that a sequel to the 1987 film Wall Street entitled Money Never Sleeps is in preproduction. Michael Douglas will apparently star again in his role as Gordon Gecko. Spoke Gordon Gecko in Wall Street (1987): "The point is, ladies and gentleman, that 'greed'--for lack of a better word--is good. Greed is right. Greed works." Well, greed is back and the producers of the Wall Street remake are probably comforted that they will release the sequel during a mergers and acquisition boom akin to what was last seen in the mid-1980s. Huge private equity deals, leveraged buyouts, landmark merger battles. Barclays and Royal Bank of Scotland battle for ABN Amro. Also, accounts of vast amounts of "global liquidity" paint today's headlines. What is the significance of the recent drop in Spanish real estate firms? What is the trade? Click here for details in Inside Global Markets. This October will mark the 20-year anniversary of the market crash of 1987, which occurred in the face of seemingly robust market conditions. Will the current boom be derailed by a similar sequence of events as those that preceded the 1987 crash? Of course, no two periods in history are ever exactly alike, but an examination of macroeconomic conditions in the two years leading up to "Black Monday" reveals a confluence of factors that bear an uncanny resemblance to the current period. These include: --Economic slowdown in the U.S.; --Expectations of benign interest rates; --Pronounced weakness in the U.S. dollar; --Flurry of corporate buybacks and M&A activity; --Rising protectionist sentiment; --Tariffs on an important Asian trading partner; --Iran as a major focus of U.S. foreign policy concerns; and --A banking crisis (think subprime). U.S. economic growth picked up dramatically following the 1985-1986 midcycle slowdown. Stock prices accelerated to the upside, and bond yields rose significantly in response to a stronger economy, dollar weakness, an M&A-fueled increase in the supply of bonds. Protectionist policies aimed against Japan added to the combustible mix. It was the combination of sharply higher equity prices and interest rates that made a correction all but inevitable, despite the fact that--to many market observers at the time--economic strength and robust earnings growth appeared to be supportive of higher stock prices. With many investors today wondering whether the slowdown seen in the U.S. economy in recent months might be a precursor to recession, the 1987 template is an important reminder that the biggest risk to stocks may come from the opposite direction. If the economy shows unexpected strength in the coming quarters, and if the dollar continues to break down and the supply of bonds continues to increase (as a function of surging M&A and private equity activity), if trade tensions between China and the U.S. worsen--and if the bond market responds to all of these factors by pushing yields sharply higher--then a valuation problem similar to that seen immediately preceding the '87 crash could materialize quickly. Special offer: Drobny Global Advisor has been providing research to the most exclusive and smartest hedge funds for years. Now Forbes is offering an inside look at global macro hedge fund strategies in a new publication Inside Global Markets. Click here to become a charter subscriber. From the end of 1986 through Aug. 25, 1987, the S&P 500 and the MSCI EAFE Index (tracking 21 developed markets in Europe, Australasia, and the Far East) both soared nearly 40%. This impressive performance followed four years of big gains for global equities, with the MSCI EAFE rallying nearly 300% from the fall of 1982 to the start of 1987. Then, like now, stocks seemed all but unstoppable, shaking off every piece of bad news and defying the skeptics at every turn. In fact, the strength in equities during the past four years could hardly be more similar to what was seen in the 1980s. Both bull markets were born in the ashes of brutal, multi-year bear markets (1980-1982 and 2000-2002), and both witnessed very strong gains in the first 12 months after bottoming (1983 and 2003), followed by nearly a year of "consolidation" (1984 and 2004) before the strong bull-market trend resumed (1985-1987 and 2005-2007). The resemblance between the current period and 1982-1987 goes well beyond a comparison of stock market charts. The unrelenting strength of equities this year despite evidence of a weakening U.S. economy in the first quarter 2007, and the meltdown in the subprime lending sector, is very similar to what was seen in the mid-1980s. Consider these parallel headlines, from 2007 and 1985: --"Earnings growth among the largest U.S. companies has slowed compared with the big gains of a year ago." Barron's, May 8, 2007. --"Corporate profits in the first quarter … generally appear to be disappointing." The New York Times, April 22, 1985. --"Real gross domestic product… grew at a seasonally adjusted annual rate of 1.3% in the first three months of the year. That was down sharply from growth of 2.5% in the fourth quarter of 2006 and was the slowest rate of growth since the first quarter of 2003." The Wall Street Journal, April 28, 2007. --"The U.S. economy, battered by foreign competition, grew at a sluggish 0.7% annual rate during the first three months of the year ... The gross national product, the broadest measure of the country's economic health, has not expanded at such a low rate since the end of the 1981-1982 recession." Associated Press, May 21, 1985. --"At least 40 subprime lenders have halted operations, gone out of business or sought buyers in the past year amid rising borrower defaults." The New York Times, April 12, 2007. --"Federal and state regulators closed two more insolvent banks today, bringing to 100 the number shut this year. It was the greatest number of bank failures since 1933." The New York Times, November 9, 1985. Much like the period during the midcycle slowdown in 1985-1986, the market today anticipates a continued benign interest rate environment. Indeed, the Fed funds futures market prices in no Fed action for the remainder of the year and the possibility of a rate cut early next year. Thanks in part to the persistence of low bond yields (which have translated into very low borrowing costs for companies and investors), the past few years have witnessed an unprecedented reduction in the overall supply of global equities. The volume of share buybacks, mergers and acquisitions, and private equity deals has swamped the amount of new stock being brought to the market via IPOs. This phenomenon has been described as "financial arbitrage." Because the yield that even "risky" companies pay to raise money using junk bonds is some 2% lower than the equivalent yield produced by the cash flows of those firms, a private equity investor can acquire a company and easily cover the cost of financing the transaction without having to do anything to improve the cash flow or profitability of the company itself. Special Offer: Profit from a significant global slowdown in real estate--from Miami to Madrid. Click here for trading opportunities in Inside Global Markets. Not surprisingly, given the extent to which bond yields fell, a similar trend was seen in the mid-1980s. "Many bulls argue that there's a shortage of stocks, a reference to the elimination of over $100 billion worth of equities over the past 18 months because of mergers, leveraged buyouts and corporate stock-repurchase programs," reported the Chicago Sun-Times on April 13, 1986. And by the spring of 1987, more than $235 billion in corporate equities had disappeared from the market since 1983--an amount equivalent to more than 10% of the entire market capitalization of the NYSE stock exchange at the time. Over the past year and a half, the U.S. dollar has fallen significantly (continuing a longer downtrend that began in 2002), a move that echoes the huge decline seen in the dollar from 1985 through 1987. Persistent dollar weakness is significant because it can put upward pressure on interest rates--foreign buyers of U.S. dollar-denominated bonds may demand higher yields to compensate for the risk of further currency depreciation. Indeed, from 1985 to 1987, there was a series of efforts by global policy makers to stabilize the U.S. dollar, which they feared would suffer further declines due to rising rate expectations in countries outside the U.S. Under considerable pressure to address the huge drop in the dollar, the U.S. was forced to increase rates in an effort to protect its currency. A similar situation appears to be developing today, as interest rates in Europe and Asia continue to move higher. Yields on 10-year German bunds have jumped from 3.7% to 4.3% since last fall, and the Euribor futures market is pricing in two more rate hikes by the European Central Bank this year. Expectations for higher European rates and flat-to-lower U.S. rates have fueled a massive rally in the euro vs. the dollar over the past several months. If the dollar decline were to continue, the burden could again fall on the U.S. to boost rates in an effort to stabilize the currency. And there is another risk to interest rates in today's environment that was not present in the mid-1980s: rising commodity prices and elevated inflation readings. In 1985 and 1986, crude oil fell hard, but today we are seeing just the opposite. Following last year's sharp correction, oil has rebounded strongly in recent months and is now up 25% from its January lows. Meanwhile, consumer price inflation in the U.S. and abroad has remained stubbornly above levels deemed acceptable by the world's central banks. The impact of higher oil is being seen at the gas pump, where prices are at record levels, and there is certainly the potential for higher oil and gasoline prices to increase inflationary expectations, thereby pushing bond yields higher. In the context of the huge gains being seen in global stock prices, a significant rise in bond yields could quickly create a valuation problem very similar to the one that preceded the 1987 crash.

 

  By: Fortunato on Mercoledì 27 Giugno 2007 01:33

Zibordi; Lei è troppo impaziente; think pink! Fortunato

situazione molto simile a quella del 1987 - gz  

  By: GZ on Martedì 26 Giugno 2007 23:12

Stock: S&P 500

bisogna tenere presente che è una situazione molto simile a quella del 1987 e che il fatto che un mercato sia salito in linea retta non vuole dire, anzi a volte scende in modo simile a come è salito, solo 3 volte più in fretta stagionalmente settembre-ottobre sono più pericolosi e quello che manca è un problema valutario, ma la somiglianza c'è da alcuni punti di vista (4 anni e mezzo di rialzo del +200% medio della maggior parte degli indici e senza correzioni, fusioni, acquisizioni, OPA e buyback a valanga, squilibri valutari...) (con questo commento spero di segnare un minimo per oggi perchè ero via oggi pomeriggio e non sono molto short)

 

  By: GZ on Martedì 08 Maggio 2007 12:25

a parte che l'aumento della produttività misurato è quello manifatturiero che è solo il 15% dell'economia ora in America dico che lo 0.8% di aumento dei posti di lavoro serve a compensare l'aumento della popolazione che è più o meno uguale

 

  By: polipolio on Martedì 08 Maggio 2007 11:57

Scusa Zibo, forse sono ancora rinco dal sonno, ma la spiegazione è 1.013x1.008=1.021 I.e. incremento della produttività times incremento della base a cui è applicato...

 

  By: GZ on Martedì 08 Maggio 2007 01:10

La produttività che aumenta diminuisce il bisogno di creare posti di lavoro, verissimo, ma c'è anche l'aumento della popolazione attiva che in america è significativo per cui devi creare posti di lavoro, anche a parità di PIL cioè anche se il PIL per ipotesi non aumentasse, per dare lavoro agli adulti che aumentano di numero ogni anno per ragioni demografiche L' aumento della produttività al momento è sceso ed è sull'1.3% annuo perchè in un economia all'85% di servizi è difficile farla salire ora che l'internet hanno imparato ad utilizzarla tutti ( è difficile poi misurare la produttività di ospedali, alberghi, ristoranti, colleges e simili mentre nelle fabbriche si riesce bene) L' aumento della popolazione è vicino all'1% annuo in USA per cui il suo effetto si cancella con quello della produttività, La maggioranza del mercato assume un PIL USA che cresce al 2% minimo anche nel 2007, ma allora bisognerebbe che i posti di lavoro crescessero quasi al 2% perchè la popolazione aumenta ora quasi quanto la produttività Invece ora siamo a un aumento dei posti di lavoro sullo 0.8% come si è visto venerdì (e secondo la seconda misurazione che fa il governo, la "Household Survey" negli ultimi 5 mesi l'aumento è stato ZERO!) quindi i numeri non quadrano, per crescere al 2% come PIL come fai ? Tanto per fare l'esempio favorito, la famosa Spagna. Lì tutti ammettono che essendo cresciuta tutta tramite costruzioni e servizi la produttività non è aumentata e tutto l'aumento del PIL è stato dovuto solo all'aumento di 4 milioni e passa dei posti di lavoro

 

  By: hobi on Lunedì 07 Maggio 2007 12:59

Dal punto di vista macro ai dati sugli occupati bisogna aggiungere quelli sulla produttività altrimenti gli aumenti del Pil non si spiegano. Hobi

 

  By: Mr.Fog on Sabato 05 Maggio 2007 16:29

Il dato sul sentiment dall'AAI va un poco interpretato. Non riflette il pensiero di coloro che operano nei mercati, ma della gente comune, di quelli che poco o nulla ne sanno. Viene, secondo me, molto influenzato dalle loro reali condizioni economiche. The AAII (American Association of Individual Investors) is a non-profit organization headquartered in Chicago, and was founded in 1978. Their stated mission is: "assisting individuals in becoming effective managers of their own assets through programs of education, information, and research." It is affiliated with NAIC, the organization that helped so many investment clubs get started in the late 1990's. Obviously, their niche market is individual investors, and not professional traders, pension funds, or anything else institutional. Their focus, and the focus of the great majority of their membership, is long-term fundamental analysis of sound companies using a very minimal amount of technical analysis for decision-making purposes. The AAII sentiment survey is a weekly poll conducted by that organization which intends to gauge the overall sentiment of their membership. They ask their membership where they think the market will be in six months, and group the responses into three categories: bullish, bearish or neutral. Piu' interessante e' controllare il Market Vane Sentiment Survey, perche' misura i comportamenti degli operatori contattando giornalmente i broker. The Market Vane Bullish Consensus is compiled daily by tracking the buy and sell recommendations of leading market advisors and CTA's (Commodity Trading Advisers) relative to a particular market. The advice is collected by: 1. Reading a current copy of the market advisors' market letter. 2. Calling hotlines provided by advisors. 3. Contacting major brokerage houses to learn what the house analyst is recommending for the different markets. 4. Reading fax and e-mail sent from advisers. The buy and sell recommendations from each advisor are tracked during the day to verify the entry and exit of each trading position. The Bullish Consensus is compiled at the end of the day to reflect the open positions of the advisors as of that day's market close. Oppure anche l' IIS: The Investor's Intelligence sentiment survey is now administered by a private company called Chartcraft and is edited by Michael Burke. The survey has been conducted weekly since 1963, and is considered the "grandaddy" of investor sentiment surveys. The survey is constructed by polling 140 investment newsletters and determining whether the publisher is bullish, bearish or neutral. Neutral in this case means generally bullish overall, but expecting a short-term downside correction. While this survey is considered the most representative of general investor sentiment, in reality it is anything but. Since the survey reviews investment newsletters, and not those who strictly invest or trade on their own, the population of the survey has a vested interest in how the market performs. To be more specific, newsletter writers do better business when the market goes up than when it goes down. Investors are more willing to buy a publication when it is bullish than when it is bearish. Therefore, there may be a bullish bias inherent in this survey. A glaring example of this is the fact that the bull ratio of the survey (defined below) recorded readings above 60% on 34% of the weeks during the 1990 bull market, when the S&P rose over 356%. However, during the bear market which began in 2000, over 60% of the weeks recorded readings over 60%, despite a decline in the S&P of over 40%. So even though price was falling, these publishers were consistently quick to re-establish their bullish stances, and very hesitant to become bearish as a group. This does not necessarily make it less effective, it only means that we must consider the survey readings in the context of recent history. Like most contrarian indicators, when the survey shows too many newsletter writers as being bullish, it very often corresponds to market highs. Conversely, too many bears suggest that the market may soon find a low. Lately, in particular, when we see bearish extremes in this survey, it has coincided very well with market lows (again, likely because of the inherent bullish bias of the survey population).

 

  By: corcas on Sabato 05 Maggio 2007 15:42

Grande analisi Paolo Sentiment, la condivido in pieno, coincidendo tra l'altro con la mia operatività degli ultimi temnpi.