By: Nevanlinna on Giovedì 01 Agosto 2013 23:52
@Melchior
JED ROTHWELL [quello della soppressione in piena vista]:
... " I have to walk a fine line. ... I also do not want anyone to think I
endorse Defkalion's claims. They have to publish an independent replication
to establish credibility. I cannot judge whether their claims are true,
false, or mistaken. It is even remotely possible they are fraudulent,
although I doubt that.
The video was a helpful guide to their claims. It puts us in a better
position to judge an independent evaluation. But until we see that
evaluation we must reserve judgement. No one gets a free pass. Nullius in
verba. If Defkalion wants people to believe them, they will publish one of
their reports now held under NDA.
I think it is irresponsible to accuse them of fraud, but it would also be
irresponsible to endorse their claims. I wrote in the blog: "In view of the
recent tests by Levi et al., and some unpublished previous tests, I think
it is extremely unlikely that Rossi is engaged in fraud. I regard the Levi
report as independent verification. I have not seen a similar independent
verification of Defkalion’s claims so I cannot judge their credibility.
Obviously I cannot endorse their claims either."
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I am still not sure about Celani's wire claims, especially after
the MFMP and others made heroic attempts to replicate with no clear
results. If that turns out to be a mistake, oy veh! Too bad! That will mean
we have wasted our time speculating about the theoretical or practical uses
of wire, and the MFMP has wasted months of effort and a ton of money.
Them's the breaks. If you don't like that, do not get involved in
cutting-edge scientific research.
We would have to forgive Celani if it turns out to be a mistake. Fraud
would infuriating and unforgivable. But they are functionally similar in
many ways. I do not think many people outside of Defkalion have invested
much effort or time evaluating their results, or speculating about the
theoretical implications. Until the demo we have not had much to speculate
about.
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I do not know what it is. There is a disconnect because Hadjichristos told
me they will not allow any test except under and NDA, and they will not
publish a test at this time.
I myself have no interest in going. If they already have reports on file
written by experts, let them publish one. Why spend more money or time on
it? I have spoken with some of the experts who went. They are under NDA so
I cannot ask any specific questions, but they seemed unimpressed. Maybe the
results have improved. The video was impressive, but I would have to spend
several days noodling around with the system before I fully believe it.
Either me, or someone else preferably more skilled than I am needs to wring
it out and answer the kinds of questions that have occurred to Beene and to
me, and that will occur to anyone who devotes serious attention to the
video.
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Maybe. I will believe it when I see it. Defkalion has made many claims and
many promises in the past they did not fulfill. They did not break any laws
by doing this, but they did hurt their own credibility.
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If Defkalion publishes a test I will still have doubts about their Ni claims and the 30 machines they supposedly had years ago, but I will believe their present machines
work as claimed. It would not be hard to establish this. A week or two
should do it."
Molto abile - qualcosa deve essergli arrivato all'orecchio. Celani invece sarà perdonato.